Comments on: The Lotus Community is Lazy (including me)

By: Dean Bradock

Dean Bradock — Fri, 12 Jun 2009 03:25:05 +0000

Hi Chris,

Its none of the reasons posted below

Its simple really – its not that we're lazy – its the complete and total lack of “real” (read that as Lotus Notes Based” ) development tools & API's that comes (or doesn't come) with Quickr. Ever tried looking for a development guide?

I have to admire the SNAPPs guys – I spent hours breaking down their HTML & Javascript code so I could understand what the hell it did just so I could add a really simple function (autopopulate a document number) – I can only imagine how many hours (100's+++) they must have spent developing their templates.

The problem is that Quickr ISNT a “Notes” development product – its a “web” development product so the 1000s of Notes developers just avoid it and use Notes applications to provide similar apps.

In an ideal world we'd all have the time to learn advanced web & web 2.0 stuff – in the real world we have to get apps delivered using the technologies we're most familiar with. So…. we're not lazy – just expedient

By: Chris Sparshott

Chris Sparshott — Mon, 02 Mar 2009 20:22:11 +0000

@Carl @Keith @John I understand that when we perform work for customers there are restrictions about sharing this work. While it would be great to see more samples available
I would be happy to see how the look and feel has been enhanced on pre-existing templates but that doesn’t seem to be readily available.

All your comments are really appreciated.

By: Carl Tyler

Carl Tyler — Mon, 02 Mar 2009 17:32:56 +0000

OK it looks like you block anything with a url link??? No error message though…

I don’t think everyone is lazy, I think many people are constrained by their corporate guidelines and ownership rules as to what they can post.

IBM employees don’t get to post much code for example (even though they want to) because of IBM lawyers.

I think there are indeed some people that are consumers and very rarely producers, but I think those of us that can produce do so.

Notes doesn’t have a consumer base the way many products do, so we really are looking at what corporate users are allowed to post in many cases.

Until that changes, I’ll continue to post free Sametime stuff:

By: Carl Tyler

Carl Tyler — Mon, 02 Mar 2009 17:29:01 +0000

Are these comments moderated before published or did I lose my previous post?

By: Keith Brooks

Keith Brooks — Mon, 02 Mar 2009 16:34:11 +0000

Interesting post and idea.
It’s not that we are lazy, but there is a chicken or egg routine, and then confidentiality.
Some clients want something so edited I can’t post it, others want vanilla with minor modifications.
But I agree with you on it.
We are working on some ideas which will get posted eventually.

By: John Head

John Head — Mon, 02 Mar 2009 16:33:45 +0000

Most customers that I work with, and talking with other .. they all do this, have legal requirements where they own the code. I can not take anything I build and just remove the customer references and just post it online. Period.

So what you see online is what people recreate on their own time.