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The Lotus Community is Lazy (including me)

Posted on March 02nd, 2009 in Blogging, Code, Communities, Document Management, Electronic Forms, Lotus, Small Medium Business

Is this the real face of the Lotus community?

The Lotus community is lazy (including me).

I am trying to help a buddy perform some development on Lotus Quickr. I don’t really sit in the developer camp but I have some good skills and I thought to myself how hard can it be? I am also heavily into opensource tools in my “private” life so my first google search for help was to search for open source quickr templates.

There weren’t many original results:

1. SNAPPS (every blog points to this site)

2. Software Brand catalogue

Referencing this post I mention the need to give back (give away) solutions in order to grow usage. Either everyone is using the standard templates or the SNAPPS templates solve all customer’s needs. I would really like to see some really cool quickr templates that blow me away – if anybody has some of those knocking around please let me know.

I am sure there are some brilliant devlopers doing wild things with Quickr, I just want to (easily) see these things on the web. If you have created something for a customer then remove any customer specific content and share with the community.

One day the face of Lotus will be…

..well maybe not but you get my drift.

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Tags: open, quickr, snapps, source, templates

Dean Bradock

Hi Chris,

Its none of the reasons posted below

Its simple really - its not that we're lazy - its the complete and total lack of "real" (read that as Lotus Notes Based" ) development tools & API's that comes (or doesn't come) with Quickr. Ever tried looking for a development guide?

I have to admire the SNAPPs guys - I spent hours breaking down their HTML & Javascript code so I could understand what the hell it did just so I could add a really simple function (autopopulate a document number) - I can only imagine how many hours (100's+++) they must have spent developing their templates.

The problem is that Quickr ISNT a "Notes" development product - its a "web" development product so the 1000s of Notes developers just avoid it and use Notes applications to provide similar apps.

In an ideal world we'd all have the time to learn advanced web & web 2.0 stuff - in the real world we have to get apps delivered using the technologies we're most familiar with. So.... we're not lazy - just expedient :)

Chris Sparshott

@Carl @Keith @John I understand that when we perform work for customers there are restrictions about sharing this work. While it would be great to see more samples available
I would be happy to see how the look and feel has been enhanced on pre-existing templates but that doesn't seem to be readily available.

All your comments are really appreciated.

Carl Tyler

OK it looks like you block anything with a url link??? No error message though...

I don't think everyone is lazy, I think many people are constrained by their corporate guidelines and ownership rules as to what they can post.

IBM employees don't get to post much code for example (even though they want to) because of IBM lawyers.

I think there are indeed some people that are consumers and very rarely producers, but I think those of us that can produce do so.

Notes doesn't have a consumer base the way many products do, so we really are looking at what corporate users are allowed to post in many cases.

Until that changes, I'll continue to post free Sametime stuff:

Carl Tyler

Are these comments moderated before published or did I lose my previous post?

Keith Brooks

Interesting post and idea.
It's not that we are lazy, but there is a chicken or egg routine, and then confidentiality.
Some clients want something so edited I can't post it, others want vanilla with minor modifications.
But I agree with you on it.
We are working on some ideas which will get posted eventually.

John Head

Most customers that I work with, and talking with other .. they all do this, have legal requirements where they own the code. I can not take anything I build and just remove the customer references and just post it online. Period.

So what you see online is what people recreate on their own time.

Chris Sparshott

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