Comments on: Domino.Doc, thank you and good night. http://www.chrissparshott.com/2009/02/02/dominodoc-thank-you-and-good-night/ SaaS and Social Software with a dash of innovation Fri, 26 Feb 2010 03:25:27 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: garywalsh http://www.chrissparshott.com/2009/02/02/dominodoc-thank-you-and-good-night/comment-page-1/#comment-463 garywalsh Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:51:13 +0000 http://www.chrissparshott.com/?p=617#comment-463 And the conversation ends... And the conversation ends…

]]> By: garywalsh http://www.chrissparshott.com/2009/02/02/dominodoc-thank-you-and-good-night/comment-page-1/#comment-447 garywalsh Sat, 24 Oct 2009 06:57:48 +0000 http://www.chrissparshott.com/?p=617#comment-447 This is where it gets a bit awkward Chris. I represent a Lotus business partner that offers a Domino based solution that we feel fills the hole that currently exists in the IBM/Lotus portfolio. We think we can keep the customer a Lotus customer. I see where other vendors place posts on forums that are clearly efforts to market their product. The bias is obvious. Rather than go down that road how about this...you and I hook up on a web meeting. I will show you what we have, then you can post your thoughts on this forum. I bet I can make you say wow! You game? This is where it gets a bit awkward Chris. I represent a Lotus business partner that offers a Domino based solution that we feel fills the hole that currently exists in the IBM/Lotus portfolio. We think we can keep the customer a Lotus customer. I see where other vendors place posts on forums that are clearly efforts to market their product. The bias is obvious. Rather than go down that road how about this…you and I hook up on a web meeting. I will show you what we have, then you can post your thoughts on this forum. I bet I can make you say wow! You game?

]]> By: Chris Sparshott http://www.chrissparshott.com/2009/02/02/dominodoc-thank-you-and-good-night/comment-page-1/#comment-438 Chris Sparshott Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:24:12 +0000 http://www.chrissparshott.com/?p=617#comment-438 @garywalsch, I can't disagree with you and I am always keen to hear about other options? what are your suggestions in light of this decision? @garywalsch, I can't disagree with you and I am always keen to hear about other options? what are your suggestions in light of this decision?

]]> By: garywalsh http://www.chrissparshott.com/2009/02/02/dominodoc-thank-you-and-good-night/comment-page-1/#comment-437 garywalsh Wed, 21 Oct 2009 09:49:29 +0000 http://www.chrissparshott.com/?p=617#comment-437 I am sorry...but migrating from DomDoc to Quickr is most cases simply absurd! If all you needed was the type of functionality Quickr delivers, then you probably are not running DomDoc in the first place. You do not have to be a large enterprise to require EDMS capability. May SMB customers need version control, workflow, auditing, archiving, document review/retention...etc. For all its shortcomings, DomDoc had a lot of functionality. Most companies extended that with customization, expensive customization. Many smaller/mid size companies have DomDoc. Quickr is not an option because it does not do document mgt. Replacing the Domino infrastructure with Websphere and moving all the users to Filenet or ICM is too expensive. It does not matter if they get free credit for the licenses...that is not where the majority of the costs are. There is a gaping hole in the IBM software inventory now that DomDoc is gone. What customers are going to do is look outside of what IBM can offer. Why not. If they have to spend a ton of money...why would'nt they. I am sorry…but migrating from DomDoc to Quickr is most cases simply absurd! If all you needed was the type of functionality Quickr delivers, then you probably are not running DomDoc in the first place. You do not have to be a large enterprise to require EDMS capability. May SMB customers need version control, workflow, auditing, archiving, document review/retention…etc. For all its shortcomings, DomDoc had a lot of functionality. Most companies extended that with customization, expensive customization. Many smaller/mid size companies have DomDoc. Quickr is not an option because it does not do document mgt. Replacing the Domino infrastructure with Websphere and moving all the users to Filenet or ICM is too expensive. It does not matter if they get free credit for the licenses…that is not where the majority of the costs are. There is a gaping hole in the IBM software inventory now that DomDoc is gone. What customers are going to do is look outside of what IBM can offer. Why not. If they have to spend a ton of money…why would'nt they.

]]> By: Chris Sparshott http://www.chrissparshott.com/2009/02/02/dominodoc-thank-you-and-good-night/comment-page-1/#comment-209 Chris Sparshott Wed, 04 Feb 2009 22:22:04 +0000 http://www.chrissparshott.com/?p=617#comment-209 @Dean Good comments to highlight the impact on the Business Partner community. I wish there was a "third" option available but bigger and better minds than mine will have to come up with that answer. @Dean Good comments to highlight the impact on the Business Partner community. I wish there was a “third” option available but bigger and better minds than mine will have to come up with that answer.

]]> By: Dean http://www.chrissparshott.com/2009/02/02/dominodoc-thank-you-and-good-night/comment-page-1/#comment-208 Dean Wed, 04 Feb 2009 06:29:48 +0000 http://www.chrissparshott.com/?p=617#comment-208 I agree with Neil butwill take it 1 step further. Whilst IBM are happy to "offer" a replacement product at no cost they're completely missing the point that the cost of software is about 20% of any application. How do they think our clients who have just invested 250K + in a DDM solution delivery (about 50 of that was software) will feel when we say "hey - we need to replace this but don't worry the software won;t cost you anything" Who is going to cover the devlopment/delivery/migration costs (in the above example - about 200K ?????? - I'm sure our client will be delighted. We (as a BP) certainly can't cover it. So no I don't see it as just a missed opportunity - I see it as %%^% Disaster that may well impact on our company's future. I agree with Neil butwill take it 1 step further.

Whilst IBM are happy to “offer” a replacement product at no cost they’re completely missing the point that the cost of software is about 20% of any application.

How do they think our clients who have just invested 250K + in a DDM solution delivery (about 50 of that was software) will feel when we say “hey – we need to replace this but don’t worry the software won;t cost you anything”

Who is going to cover the devlopment/delivery/migration costs (in the above example – about 200K ?????? – I’m sure our client will be delighted. We (as a BP) certainly can’t cover it.

So no I don’t see it as just a missed opportunity – I see it as %%^% Disaster that may well impact on our company’s future.

]]> By: Chris Sparshott http://www.chrissparshott.com/2009/02/02/dominodoc-thank-you-and-good-night/comment-page-1/#comment-207 Chris Sparshott Tue, 03 Feb 2009 21:41:30 +0000 http://www.chrissparshott.com/?p=617#comment-207 @Neil You make a good point. While I think this creates an opportunity it is also an opportunity lost. There is now a hole in the porfolio without a clear way of plugging the gap. If we don't use Domino.Doc and Filenet / Content Manager isn't appropriate what do we use? @Neil You make a good point. While I think this creates an opportunity it is also an opportunity lost. There is now a hole in the porfolio without a clear way of plugging the gap. If we don’t use Domino.Doc and Filenet / Content Manager isn’t appropriate what do we use?

]]> By: Neil http://www.chrissparshott.com/2009/02/02/dominodoc-thank-you-and-good-night/comment-page-1/#comment-206 Neil Tue, 03 Feb 2009 18:19:59 +0000 http://www.chrissparshott.com/?p=617#comment-206 I think that IBM have missed an opportunity, DDM sits very well between Quickr and ECM systems. It provides a number of very important functions that Quickr does not, and will not for a while, and is currently easily extensible (DocEvents) etc, something which Quickr lacks. I also think that Filenet etc are overkill for a lot of organisations.... DDM provided a really nice middle ground, was cheap, and ran on peoples existing infrastructure. What DDM really needed was a make-over, and some new features... Its also a shame that another product/function is withdrawn from the Domino portfolio... I think that IBM have missed an opportunity, DDM sits very well between Quickr and ECM systems.

It provides a number of very important functions that Quickr does not, and will not for a while, and is currently easily extensible (DocEvents) etc, something which Quickr lacks.

I also think that Filenet etc are overkill for a lot of organisations….

DDM provided a really nice middle ground, was cheap, and ran on peoples existing infrastructure.

What DDM really needed was a make-over, and some new features…

Its also a shame that another product/function is withdrawn from the Domino portfolio…

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